Comments on: Post 26 – Hope, the Enemy of Art http://www.tipsonwriting.net/blog/2010/01/post-26-hope-the-enemy-of-art/ by best selling authors Geoff Hoff and Steve Mancini Wed, 04 Jan 2012 23:37:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Sheila Atwood http://www.tipsonwriting.net/blog/2010/01/post-26-hope-the-enemy-of-art/comment-page-1/#comment-191 Sheila Atwood Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:47:22 +0000 http://www.tipsonwriting.net/blog/?p=199#comment-191 You hit the nail on the head. "Do it consciously." Then it has power. Sheila .-= Sheila Atwood´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/NewbieLifeline/~3/9vwrlIBzaXI/html" rel="nofollow">Internet Marketing Workshops and Seminars 2010</a> =-. You hit the nail on the head. “Do it consciously.” Then it has power.

Sheila
.-= Sheila Atwood´s last blog ..Internet Marketing Workshops and Seminars 2010 =-.

]]> By: Geoff http://www.tipsonwriting.net/blog/2010/01/post-26-hope-the-enemy-of-art/comment-page-1/#comment-190 Geoff Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:52:55 +0000 http://www.tipsonwriting.net/blog/?p=199#comment-190 Mike, thank you. Yes, since I've written this post I'm noticing how often I use the word. Sometimes I still allow it, but I do it consciously, now. Mike, thank you. Yes, since I’ve written this post I’m noticing how often I use the word. Sometimes I still allow it, but I do it consciously, now.

]]> By: Mike Shippey http://www.tipsonwriting.net/blog/2010/01/post-26-hope-the-enemy-of-art/comment-page-1/#comment-188 Mike Shippey Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:31:54 +0000 http://www.tipsonwriting.net/blog/?p=199#comment-188 You know what's interesting about that little quip, is that initially I wasn't trying to make a joke, it was just a habit to write "hope". Then I thought, "hmmm...kinda funny..." It makes the stuff you're talking about in the post even more meaningful to me. We are almost programmed, or at least conditioned to "hope" for everything, without taking the full responsibility for it. Even something like having our words make sense to others. You really have a great site here! MS You know what’s interesting about that little quip, is that initially I wasn’t trying to make a joke, it was just a habit to write “hope”. Then I thought, “hmmm…kinda funny…”
It makes the stuff you’re talking about in the post even more meaningful to me. We are almost programmed, or at least conditioned to “hope” for everything, without taking the full responsibility for it. Even something like having our words make sense to others.
You really have a great site here!
MS

]]> By: Geoff http://www.tipsonwriting.net/blog/2010/01/post-26-hope-the-enemy-of-art/comment-page-1/#comment-187 Geoff Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:55:59 +0000 http://www.tipsonwriting.net/blog/?p=199#comment-187 Mike - I almost ended the post with that very sentence, but realized it would cheapen the post. I figured someone would put it in a comment, so I knew the joke would be represented! Thanks! :-) I had heard "hope is not a plan" before, but had never really thought about it. Yes, I think that is very close to what I'm saying. Mike – I almost ended the post with that very sentence, but realized it would cheapen the post. I figured someone would put it in a comment, so I knew the joke would be represented! Thanks! :-)

I had heard “hope is not a plan” before, but had never really thought about it. Yes, I think that is very close to what I’m saying.

]]> By: Mike Shippey http://www.tipsonwriting.net/blog/2010/01/post-26-hope-the-enemy-of-art/comment-page-1/#comment-184 Mike Shippey Mon, 04 Jan 2010 06:57:54 +0000 http://www.tipsonwriting.net/blog/?p=199#comment-184 This is good, thought provoking stuff, as usual Geoff. I used to tell my sales people that "hope is not a plan", and I think that's what you're eluding to here. I loved the post, because it draws attention to the inspired action that each of us need to take, and away from this feeling that so much of our "destiny" is out of our control. I hope that made sense....(yes, I went there) MS .-= Mike Shippey´s last blog ..<a href="http://habitualvictory.com/you-better-believe-it" rel="nofollow">You Better Believe It</a> =-. This is good, thought provoking stuff, as usual Geoff.
I used to tell my sales people that “hope is not a plan”, and I think that’s what you’re eluding to here. I loved the post, because it draws attention to the inspired action that each of us need to take, and away from this feeling that so much of our “destiny” is out of our control.
I hope that made sense….(yes, I went there)
MS
.-= Mike Shippey´s last blog ..You Better Believe It =-.

]]> By: Geoff http://www.tipsonwriting.net/blog/2010/01/post-26-hope-the-enemy-of-art/comment-page-1/#comment-179 Geoff Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:57:24 +0000 http://www.tipsonwriting.net/blog/?p=199#comment-179 Phila, I like that. I'll have to go read that essay (as soon as I catch up this morning, haven't written today's post, yet!) I understand and agree with her use of "hopelessness" but I would be reticent to use it that way because it would take to much explanation each time. :-) .-= Geoff´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ThatWouldBeMedotNet/~3/O59NGDahfoc/" rel="nofollow">Wage War on Christmas – A Warped Holiday Story</a> =-. Phila, I like that. I’ll have to go read that essay (as soon as I catch up this morning, haven’t written today’s post, yet!)

I understand and agree with her use of “hopelessness” but I would be reticent to use it that way because it would take to much explanation each time. :-)
.-= Geoff´s last blog ..Wage War on Christmas – A Warped Holiday Story =-.

]]> By: Phila http://www.tipsonwriting.net/blog/2010/01/post-26-hope-the-enemy-of-art/comment-page-1/#comment-178 Phila Sun, 03 Jan 2010 09:02:49 +0000 http://www.tipsonwriting.net/blog/?p=199#comment-178 You're echoing a wonderful essay by Margaret Wheatley - From Hope to Hopelessness (http://www.livingearthgatherings.org/wheatley_hope.html) in which she discusses the Buddhist teaching that hopelessness is not the opposite of hope - fear is. When you hope for a specific outcome, there is an underlying fear that it won't come about. To be hopeless is to be liberated from attachment to specific outcomes, free to accept that your work may achieve no long-term change in the status quo - free to go on and try again from a new angle, drawing strength from relationships rather than expected outcomes. You’re echoing a wonderful essay by Margaret Wheatley – From Hope to Hopelessness (http://www.livingearthgatherings.org/wheatley_hope.html) in which she discusses the Buddhist teaching that hopelessness is not the opposite of hope – fear is.
When you hope for a specific outcome, there is an underlying fear that it won’t come about. To be hopeless is to be liberated from attachment to specific outcomes, free to accept that your work may achieve no long-term change in the status quo – free to go on and try again from a new angle, drawing strength from relationships rather than expected outcomes.

]]> By: Suzie Cheel http://www.tipsonwriting.net/blog/2010/01/post-26-hope-the-enemy-of-art/comment-page-1/#comment-176 Suzie Cheel Sun, 03 Jan 2010 02:33:36 +0000 http://www.tipsonwriting.net/blog/?p=199#comment-176 Interesting- there is a wishywashiness about the word, and as Sheila statea- from dictionary- desire with expectation, maybe we need to add action? Good discussion .-= Suzie Cheel´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/WhatAmIGratefulForToday/~3/XxhDHqCIvOM/" rel="nofollow">Freedom is…….</a> =-. Interesting- there is a wishywashiness about the word, and as Sheila statea- from dictionary- desire with expectation, maybe we need to add action? Good discussion
.-= Suzie Cheel´s last blog ..Freedom is……. =-.

]]> By: Geoff http://www.tipsonwriting.net/blog/2010/01/post-26-hope-the-enemy-of-art/comment-page-1/#comment-175 Geoff Sat, 02 Jan 2010 22:16:35 +0000 http://www.tipsonwriting.net/blog/?p=199#comment-175 Sheila, Yes. And most people stop with hope. And that is the tragedy of the word. (I often exaggerate in order to make a point, by the way. Hope is, as someone on Twitter said, a perfectly honest word. I agree, but still discourage my students from using it for the reasons I stated.) And thanks you for your comments! I love a discussion, and had... um... hoped... this would statr one! :-) Geoff .-= Geoff´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ThatWouldBeMedotNet/~3/O59NGDahfoc/" rel="nofollow">Wage War on Christmas – A Warped Holiday Story</a> =-. Sheila,

Yes. And most people stop with hope. And that is the tragedy of the word. (I often exaggerate in order to make a point, by the way. Hope is, as someone on Twitter said, a perfectly honest word. I agree, but still discourage my students from using it for the reasons I stated.)

And thanks you for your comments! I love a discussion, and had… um… hoped… this would statr one! :-)

Geoff
.-= Geoff´s last blog ..Wage War on Christmas – A Warped Holiday Story =-.

]]> By: Sheila Atwood http://www.tipsonwriting.net/blog/2010/01/post-26-hope-the-enemy-of-art/comment-page-1/#comment-174 Sheila Atwood Sat, 02 Jan 2010 22:01:51 +0000 http://www.tipsonwriting.net/blog/?p=199#comment-174 This is one word I plan to keep in my vocabulary. The basis of hope is trust, desire, possibility and expectation. Websters Third International Dictionary hope (v) 1. to desire with expectation 2.(archaic) to place confidence or trust. hope (n) 1. TRUST, RELIANCE 2.(a) a desire accompanied by expectation of obtaining what is desired or belief it is obtainable. (b) one whom hopes are centered on. (c) a source of hopeful expectation :PROMISE (d) something that is hoped for: an object of hope. Hope,expectation, belief, desire, promise and trust are all future thinking. Hope is just one stage. Doing is another stage. Knowing is still another. All have relevance in how we operate. Sheila .-= Sheila Atwood´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/NewbieLifeline/~3/EvmuBVIgXgI/html" rel="nofollow">New Year Resolutions</a> =-. This is one word I plan to keep in my vocabulary. The basis of hope is trust, desire, possibility and expectation.

Websters Third International Dictionary
hope (v)
1. to desire with expectation 2.(archaic) to place confidence or trust.
hope (n)
1. TRUST, RELIANCE 2.(a) a desire accompanied by expectation of obtaining what is desired or belief it is obtainable. (b) one whom hopes are centered on. (c) a source of hopeful expectation :P ROMISE (d) something that is hoped for: an object of hope.

Hope,expectation, belief, desire, promise and trust are all future thinking.

Hope is just one stage. Doing is another stage. Knowing is still another. All have relevance in how we operate.

Sheila
.-= Sheila Atwood´s last blog ..New Year Resolutions =-.

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